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NSA Can Access Your Hard Drive While Computer is Turned OFF

I see we have a thread called Linux news.

I've been listening to The Zoo Crew a lot. I noticed they touched on this just a little bit here. The other day I came accross something, and some of you have probably heard of this already. But I'm curious what you guys think about it.

Here is the zoo crew I listened too.


Zoo Crew 34: Trusted Computing - Good or EVIL?

Here is the Video I came across.


I also came across this video.

NSA Can Access Your Hard Drive While Computer is Turned OFF

Comments

  • setkehsetkeh Administrator
    i think its hearsay and nonsense an this guy has to be one of those really special snowflakes with a cast lead iron body suit (forgoing tin foil hat).

    its impractical for the NSA to do such a thing for a start.
    Where are they storing all the data they collect ?? google burns through over 40 petabytes perday in data transfer just from the search engine which is only one of there services and there are something along the lines of 4 Billion mobile devices in use globally.

    The average phone call length is 4 Minutes a 4 minute phone conversation is around 250mb the average lunch / dinner break of a worker is 30 minutes and the average days work is 8 hours now while you wouldn't speak the whole time you can begin to see the amount of data being "transmitted" here.

    Accessing Data from a computer that is not powered on is Impossible as IDE Sata USB SAS and SCSI Controllers cant work without the instruction set provided by the bios and lets face it if the bios is running the PC is Processing data therefor it is powered ON.

    Finally if the NSA was transferring this amount of data wirelessly our entire wireless system would not work wifi planes satellites and radio for example could not work due the frequency pollution.

    there is nothing in this article that makes any sense it is just fear mongering based on the fact that most users have no idea wtf he is talking about.

    i personally own equipment that scans radio frequencies across a vast scale much further then most of them do and i dont see my computer or any other computer emitting any other then normal EMF (Not powerful enough to be tapped into and is not present during power off) or normal 2.4Gh/z wireless Data.

    Dont believe me ??

    its easy take your laptop / motherboard / Mobile phone download its cad's specs and wire maps (really not all that difficult) and retrace every single one you will either find everything is where it should be and it has a sensible function and purpose. (Dont try to say they might have put it on the design data as this guys whole argument hinged on his "Specialist *cough*" saying things like "non of the employees know what the chips do or where they were placed" )

    In closing this is simply not possible you cant re route add in or subtract circute's to a computer easly enough to not blow it up or to be any sort of cost effective the main deciding and killing factor is its just far far too expensive to carry out.

    Setkeh



    Wisdom:

    One does not Simply Deploy into Production.

  • c_smithc_smith Registered
    also, reading a HDD while it's powered down, if I'm not mistaken, takes physical access to the device, which the NSA won't want to break into your house, it wouldn't be good for them.
  • pdqpdq Administrator
    Mark Dice's videos are aimed at informing and poking fun at the braindead zombies that make up most of mainstream society, so he often has to repeat what he's saying over and over in many different and entertaining ways and it's often a narrative of the news articles visible in the video.

    For a less sensational and abrasive discussion on things like the NSA I would point people at links and youtube channels like:
    and :)

    The facts referred to in Mark Dices video are all supposedly true. Like it says in the video the technology that allows this remote access even when computer is off is called the Intel VPro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_vPro#Remote_management).
    "Core vPro processors contain a second physical processor embedded within the main processor which has it’s own operating system embedded on the chip itself,” writes Jim Stone. “As long as the power supply is available and in working condition, it can be woken up by the Core vPro processor, which runs on the system’s phantom power and is able to quietly turn individual hardware components on and access anything on them."

    As per the mentioning of Stingray program, which he refers to in the video many times, http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/08/cellphone-data-spying-nsa-police/3902809/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/meet-the-machines-that-steal-your-phones-data/

    And the wireless nsa tools codenamed Tao, http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/29/report-nsa-intercepting-laptops-ordered-online-installing-spyware/ http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-nsa-uses-powerful-toolbox-in-effort-to-spy-on-global-networks-a-940969-3.html

    As for the question of not being possible to store all the information collected in bulk? On top of the massive datacenters they already use for these things they built a 2 billion dollar datacenter, completed in 2013, which is over 1 million square feet and was built specifically to store data on their multiple quadrillions of gigabytes of hard drive space they have there.

    Some datacenter specifications:

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  • setkehsetkeh Administrator
    Another Reason to not be much of an intel fan :P

    And America is wonders why its broke and has no money you wanna build stuff like that dont go crying to the rest of the world about being penyless and trillions in debt XD



    Wisdom:

    One does not Simply Deploy into Production.

  • pdq wrote:
    Mark Dice's videos are aimed at informing and poking fun at the braindead zombies that make up most of mainstream society, so he often has to repeat what he's saying over and over in many different and entertaining ways and it's often a narrative of the news articles visible in the video.

    For a less sensational and abrasive discussion on things like the NSA I would point people at links and youtube channels like:
    and :)

    The facts referred to in Mark Dices video are all supposedly true. Like it says in the video the technology that allows this remote access even when computer is off is called the Intel VPro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_vPro#Remote_management).
    "Core vPro processors contain a second physical processor embedded within the main processor which has it’s own operating system embedded on the chip itself,” writes Jim Stone. “As long as the power supply is available and in working condition, it can be woken up by the Core vPro processor, which runs on the system’s phantom power and is able to quietly turn individual hardware components on and access anything on them."

    As per the mentioning of Stingray program, which he refers to in the video many times, http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/08/cellphone-data-spying-nsa-police/3902809/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/meet-the-machines-that-steal-your-phones-data/

    And the wireless nsa tools codenamed Tao, http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/29/report-nsa-intercepting-laptops-ordered-online-installing-spyware/ http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-nsa-uses-powerful-toolbox-in-effort-to-spy-on-global-networks-a-940969-3.html

    As for the question of not being possible to store all the information collected in bulk? On top of the massive datacenters they already use for these things they built a 2 billion dollar datacenter, completed in 2013, which is over 1 million square feet and was built specifically to store data on their multiple quadrillions of gigabytes of hard drive space they have there.

    Some datacenter specifications:

    To everyone: I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I think there is some truth in what they are trying to warn us about.

    To pdq: Thank you for all this information. I printed the articles, subscribed to the channels, and downloaded the videos. :)

    To setkeh: If the NSA has a deal with Intel, then what is to keep them from making a deal with AMD too? We know they had the gall to ask Linus Torvalds to put a back door in the Linux Kernel. The way I understand it this isn't possible due to the way the Kernel is developed. Or is it? The NSA isn't stupid. They say that it isn't possible due to all the eyes on the source code. But there was a way to put out a decoy source code. A decoy source code that still worked, they might not care if only x percent of people got infected because they would simply use some other method to sweep up the rest. (Just brain storming)

    To Everyone: In my opinion putting a back door in any operating system including Windows is over kill, when they can simply implant chips on the motherboards, and other parts.

    What about this thing about reading hard drives even when the system is turned off? I can think of several ways something like this might work. What if they implanted a small system that takes some samples of your hard drive while your system is on. Stores it in some flash Chips and then sends it out. In other words this small system would be powered by a very small power source like a soldered on rechargeable battery. Just a theory. But I'm sure with all this micro tech we have now days, who know what they got.

    I really wish none of this stuff was truth. It's terrible that the Governments think they need to spy on people, just get folks do what they want.
  • setkehsetkeh Administrator
    This is one of those topics that enrages me no end lol though i know my PC is safe to think some other poor noob somewhere in the world is getting there privacy invaded just because America's ridiculous war on terror as justification for spying.

    Also those kinds of modifications are still illegal in Australia thankfully and no data obtained without a warrant cannot be used as evidence at trial and if it is presented your entitled to Sue and Class action against the particular dept that obtained the info for stealing and privacy invasion (weather the stuff the took was lawful or not) there is one exception and that's the holding of sexually explicit images of children or un-consensual / unlawful acts of sexual misconduct (And lets face it those kind of people are monsters and fair doesn't matter) point is it doesn't impede day to day life and prevents fear mongering and conspiracy accusations.

    TBPH all these problems could be fixed so easily if America could mind its own business for 10 minutes stop trying to be the world hero and making all the wrong people mad and i think you will find they will have far less issues with Money and "Terrorism" (i say that loosly as its a cop out for a bunch of illegal acts by there gvmt) and took a chill pill and let the UN and Jan Egeland sort it out and just aided by sending food to poor countrys instead of military force the world would smile with a happier global population but more importantly a happier america once its used those save resources for somthing closer to home and more important to its population.

    As im already pushing the line on the TOS i will say these are SOLELY MY VIEWS and mine alone.

    Thats really all i have to say (in the nice format XD) about that my .10c if you will :D

    Cheers
    Setkeh



    Wisdom:

    One does not Simply Deploy into Production.

  • setkeh wrote:
    This is one of those topics that enrages me no end lol though i know my PC is safe to think some other poor noob somewhere in the world is getting there privacy invaded just because America's ridiculous war on terror as justification for spying.

    Also those kinds of modifications are still illegal in Australia thankfully and no data obtained without a warrant cannot be used as evidence at trial and if it is presented your entitled to Sue and Class action against the particular dept that obtained the info for stealing and privacy invasion (weather the stuff the took was lawful or not) there is one exception and that's the holding of sexually explicit images of children or un-consensual / unlawful acts of sexual misconduct (And lets face it those kind of people are monsters and fair doesn't matter) point is it doesn't impede day to day life and prevents fear mongering and conspiracy accusations.

    TBPH all these problems could be fixed so easily if America could mind its own business for 10 minutes stop trying to be the world hero and making all the wrong people mad and i think you will find they will have far less issues with Money and "Terrorism" (i say that loosly as its a cop out for a bunch of illegal acts by there gvmt) and took a chill pill and let the UN and Jan Egeland sort it out and just aided by sending food to poor countrys instead of military force the world would smile with a happier global population but more importantly a happier america once its used those save resources for somthing closer to home and more important to its population.

    As im already pushing the line on the TOS i will say these are SOLELY MY VIEWS and mine alone.

    Thats really all i have to say (in the nice format XD) about that my .10c if you will :D

    Cheers
    Setkeh

    That's a good thoughtout opinion. :)

    I think there is something behind all of this... Throughout History Nations have tried to take over the world. I don't think the USA as it was created to be is out to take over the world. But I think there is a group of people who wants too. They will use anything and anyone to get what they want. I don't know why there has always been some who desires to "control" others. In school we called them Bullies.
  • When I first posted this, I felt that the NSA was the worse spy. But Last weekend changed my ideas when I saw this Video.
  • RandymanmeRandymanme Registered
    When I first posted this, I felt that the NSA was the worse spy. But Last weekend changed my ideas when I saw this Video.

    Sorry, but I'm definitely missing something here. I don't see the aforementioned video. Where can I find it?Okay. I'm getting the video, now. I don't why it didn't show immediately.
    Randymanme wrote:
    When I first posted this, I felt that the NSA was the worse spy. But Last weekend changed my ideas when I saw this Video.

    Sorry, but I'm definitely missing something here. I don't see the aforementioned video. Where can I find it?Okay. I'm getting the video, now. I don't why it didn't show immediately.

    I'm here right now because I just got my wi-fi turned back on just today. For over two months, I was without internet service.

    BBUUTT!! I've been noticing that every so often, at least weekly, I've been getting fresh update notices on my operating systems, especially 'buntu derivatives. That seemed odd since I didn't have any internet service. But this video explains it.
  • wchouser3wchouser3 Registered
    um...yea-no...no they can't
  • Teddy5090Teddy5090 Registered
    setkeh wrote:
    I personally own equipment that scans radio frequencies across a vast scale much further then most of them do and I don't see my computer or any other computer emitting any other then normal EMF (Not powerful enough to be tapped into and is not present during power off) or normal 2.4 Ghz wireless data.

    Setkeh

    Whoa, Setkeh, you must also own a Radar Detector. Those have questionable legality among citizens in the United States, and vary from state to state. Here in my state (Texas), both Radar Jammers and Laser Jammers are outlawed.
    Theodore Thorpe,
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